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you can take nothing away from how absolutely on point below looks he got hurt a couple times stunned with some good shots but the pressure was non-stop from below Muhammad that could beat the best everybody in his division I’m gonna be the champion 2023 you better believe it put it out of my name right now remember the name [Applause] thank you welcome to UFC October please tell me that’s on video I’ve never been happier hey girl podcast that’s dangerous welcome to UFC unfiltered uh getting the show off on time which is a miracle I didn’t think we’re gonna be able to I was having construction done we have Jimmy Smith uh who works for the same company I do SiriusXM and unlocking the cage is his show we only have him for a few minutes I think because he’s taping his show today and blah Muhammad um one of the best welterweights on Earth will be with us and we love Bilal so I want to see what’s coming up for him out I’m sorry Jimmy did you miss me did you have a nice relaxed uh time last Wednesday when uh the entire time I I do like Dean but I always miss Matt Sarah you like Dave would you prefer me I mean yeah you say prefer because I want to say right I know I know it’s not right but it’s true um uh we got Jimmy Smith coming on man yes not the Jimmy Smith NYPD Blue no how are you feeling by the way how you doing I’m doing good man I listened to the beginning of the show last week and it’s funny you know because I hear you being old you know kind and caring and concerned for your friend yeah like man you know that’s all right he’s a good friend the Hulk passed away I hope Matthew and then write to Dean Thomas ready carrying cold-hearted Dean Thomas man all right Kitty his friend with their heart well you know some guys just like to they handle hurt things different they just kind of move right past it it’s the way they do it all right we got Jimmy here see a true Radio Pro yes knows to come in on time this is why I love uh guys in radio and that’s taking a shot at me because I’m late no you’re never late you were you were here before me today I am putting my sword back in because me and we’re buddies I miss you Marius hey Jimmy put the sword back in yeah exactly the first thing I heard coming in here it’s so weird being hold on let me see your shirt it’s so being it’s so weird being here same age as old people I know yeah right listen it is weird it is weird I am 49 yeah oh no I’m 48 in June I’ll be 49. I don’t want to rush it yeah yeah 35 I’ll be 46 in September but you saw people I’m 54 and when you like when I was young you saw people this age and go like they’re dead zombies right yeah Jimmy Norton I think you should get on trt Jimmy Smith oh you won’t listen you know debating it you’re not fighting anymore you’re not fighting anymore it’s nothing wrong with it are you on a trt testosterone replacement or anything no why not look at you you need it I don’t think he needs it though he doesn’t need it I need it but guys you know I didn’t have one of those careers 10 15 years destroying my body like you know what I mean like I I didn’t have one of those yeah my career was pretty short so dude I I remember um being in the changing room behind the scenes at Fox Studios with with guys who had phenomenal careers can’t undo their shirt you know I sat there for 10 minutes to take the shirt off because back’s up and I’m like yeah dude do whatever the you need to do you know I didn’t have fortunately or whatever one of those careers you know well the difference is I I just need it because my energy is low I don’t have any cool like injuries my energy is just low and I’m moping around and getting tits and I’m like I gotta do something yeah I had a teammate say the same things I just have low T it’s just a genetic thing and I was like do it like oh man I feel good I taught this morning I don’t know I got a lot of energy I’m always on espresso but still yeah now Jimmy you you’re showing Sirius XM where do you do broadcast from you’re in the air it or do you actually go in I literally flip off this headset and I put on this headset and I am on air yeah um and you guys go from right now it’s gonna be two o’clock to three where are you now are you on the East Coast I am in Delray Beach Florida man oh okay so you go from two to three you might how many days a week two to five five days a week man oh you do well you’re doing more than I’m doing don’t don’t you love yeah don’t you love having a regular radio gig there’s something about it I do Monday through Thursday 8 to 11. it’s just nice to have a regular paycheck when they when when I got signed with WB and he goes man it’s a three-hour show and I said I do three hours a day every day by myself yeah but I’m a co-host it’s me don’t tell me about it man I I know all too well about keeping your energy after three hours yeah and it’s nice to have somebody that you like to talk to and I I just I love radio gigs I what do you think of what the the deal UFC has cut with siriusxm2 broadcast I thought there should have been a radio broadcast I’m like I’m so annoyed when I’m driving that I can’t listen to this like a baseball game so yeah no I think it’s great I think it’s great I think once again like that idea of accessibility like any other major sport right and it was something we dreamed about 25 years ago when I got into MMA was like Jim imagine being able to turn your TV and watch MMA imagine being able to listen to it like you can baseball or football or anything else and then it now we’re we’re it’s everywhere and so it’s like yeah anything that makes it easier to access I’m all about it do you do you think they’re going to have like you know they have uh Portuguese they have English they have Chinese are they going to have a separate radio uh announcer or to do it for radio like baseball does or are they just gonna simulcast Rogan and uh and uh DC and those guys as far as I know it’s simulcast as far as I know it’s the exact same thing that there’s just no difference why change if you don’t have to why why involve more moving Parts if you don’t have to yeah so I think so yeah well those guys yes buddy well there’s two jimmies sorry um let me ask you Jimmy please let me ask you three hours a day what do we I mean I know we could talk a lot about the upcoming that it’s not a city it’s not a fight for another week what do we do we do some deep Dives on on certain Fighters or do we uh do a talk about upcoming matches I mean three hours is a nice nice chunk it’s it’s a long time yeah but but it’s almost all right so so what we do is we you know I have one kind of big story for that week or that that day and we break it up into parts to start every hour so there were always kind of referencing back to it and of course in this case it’s gonna be last Saturday’s UFC whatever we’re not going to get into next week until maybe Thursday Friday and so it’s all right for example right so we had the fight last Saturday so I break down the x’s and knows that fight then it’s all right what the hell do you do with Max Holloway he’s beating the champ he’s lost the champ three times no one can beat him he’s a gatekeeper he can’t get past what does this do for the division at 145 what do we do with this guy um another segment might be okay he wants to go to 55. what are his chances of 55. I don’t think they’re particularly good he’s tried before against Dustin Poirier didn’t work so it’s about dividing stories into to pieces that I can break down throughout the week what do you think too because again three three losses to uh I mean you know according to the judges I mean uh we all saw the first one see I thought Max won the first fight but I will watch it again maybe I’m obviously wrong but I I the second one I definitely thought he won but the first one I have to go back and watch I haven’t seen it was actually first and third I thought were pretty definitive second one I thought I thought Max won I was there unless I’m crazy I don’t know where I am but uh I’m I was there and I remember being like yo man I thought I thought it was pretty clear that Max won that second yeah I thought so too yeah it’s so much that I thought that he was going to win the third which wasn’t the case it’s one of those things and and Matt you and I have seen it I would I put John Fitch in this category uh Rich Franklin was in this category where we had like this number two guy was so good that nobody could get past remember a prime John Fitch beat everybody but GSP a prime Rich Franklin beat everybody but Anderson Silva and so you have that gatekeeper that is too good at keeping the gate and you go well what do we what do we do we can we can get past this dude what’s gonna beat up Korean zombie okay great wonderful you know what does that add to his his legacy at this point it’s a tough spot to be in and we see it periodically in MMA you know so what do you think happens what do they do do you just do you wait until there’s somebody else how do you handle that MMA an MMA weight class is a tank full of piranhas if you don’t throw food in there they’ll eat each other and that’s how you have to see a division right is we just keep these guys in here they’re going to eat each other and we have nobody for the champ right so it’s it there has to be kind of this leveling up idea and it was the same thing um Eugene bearman who’s a city kickboxing coach I talked to him last week and he said hey look the next 185 Contender just has to make their presence felt and come up and yeah that’s a great idea but when the top five is is packed with veterans that can beat those guys it’s very difficult to get that Mobility going so it is an issue I think it’s an issue at 85 it’s an issue at 45 where they’re just not generating that next I don’t see that 10 to 15 guy right I’m going oh man can’t wait to Ilya chaporia at 45 he’s the Dark Horse at number nine I like him a lot but there aren’t enough of those guys that I’m excited about making their way up and and it’s it’s a tough thing to do it really is yeah it’s nice I almost felt like when Jones was uh light heavyweight champion he kind of ran into that were you beating everybody really interesting or all the great story lines of what will happen when these two guys fight and it almost is like what do you do with him because he has beaten everybody who and again they want to sell fights they they want to be able to you know so that’s why you know I think Bilal has a tougher time uh getting Leon than maybe Colby will because they think that they could probably sell the Colby fight better but I’m glad John moved to the Hedwig so I was like there’s really nobody else I was that interested in seeing him fight at least at that point Matt I want to ask you a question yeah seriously all right because we’re both old as that’s great I like that you said that because Jimmy’s older than us so here’s the deal here’s the deal I was doing a thing um for ESPN I did a single UFC fight camp but they were talking about something about you know why do the numbers favor when we talk about all time the numbers favor like an era that was GSP Anderson Silva and I said number one they got the belt a lot younger you didn’t need that many fights to get a title shot you needed one or two so they got the belts in their mid-20s so they had a longer run because they started out younger now like man Edwards wins the title at 31 is he gonna have 10 title defense it’s probably not he got it when he’s 31. so button number two I said we didn’t have huge debates about the next Contender we didn’t have rankings so when the UFC was just throw in the next guy so you got Patrick Cote for Anderson Silva you got Talus latest good guys not pay-per-view selling you know stars and so I was sitting there going are the rankings really worth it it’s just nobody wants to kind of fight down but we used to not have them so the next guy just wasn’t a huge debate it was like all right this guy’s next one okay fine and so Champs fought a lot more and so like do you think putting a number next to their name which I know is it generates excitement but it’s also like oh I’m number three I’m not fighting number seven you’re like guys that that’s an abstract number next to your name does it really you know what I mean it seems like it’s more of a a an arguing Point than a practical thing that helps what do you think did you remember when it was like oh that’s the next Cloud Contender if you want okay you know listen I mean it was still I you know again we were in a transitional period where it felt like it was still gonna be over any second so I felt like until it until it wasn’t until it broke through and with the old The Ultimate Fighter and stuff but back then I’ll tell you what it felt like it just felt so many more fights stood out but there’s so we got so much more now that there’s so many so many fights now that is so and this might be a different topic but this um one I think we do need the rankings because otherwise then it’s a total popularity popularity God does you know what I mean so now they could say they do have that argument Point hey man I beat this one that one this one in the top ten how can you deny me guys like below Mohammed have that arguing point if they’re not those are used yeah oh man yeah exactly um so yeah I think that I think you do need it for that for that one thing because a lot of guys aren’t going to be magic on the mic and I know I don’t think they’re not gonna have that X Factor where it’s like I want to see him like even Arnold Allen who’s coming up that was good they gave him Max Holloway what about that I mean that’s another switch gears but that was I mean that’s an undefeated fighter God damn that’s Halloween man those five rounds better and better and that was something else no yeah you look incredible it’s it’s insane and I think this is underrated on our sport now because like you said we tend to hunt for Stars the consistency of the Goddess that go out there and God Max always looks good he just always it’s never like oh you know I’m bad performance of Max Holloway other than Volk just I I think being the better Fighter the guy is so consistent and we don’t reward that enough in our sport how crazy is that Max is only 31. we just talk about age and how guys get the title younger Max feels like he’s 52 because you’ve been watching him for so many years and he’s at this point now with what what happens to him and he’s only 31 years old we got into the DLC in his fourth fight like some absurdly low number that that doesn’t really happen these days and so that’s another thing his whole career has been UFC which is absurd that’s a throwback kind of thing you know first I think his first fight or second fight was Connor maybe it was his first one in the UFC it was it was first or second was Connor that’s Connor God was his first one Dustin I don’t remember because they fought he bought Dustin twice he bought him 45-55 but yeah yeah like he’s just thrown right in with the wolves and so I think that’s where we have this idea like God he’s been at the elite level for so long I’m looking at Max right now and I will tell you who his first fight in the UFC because it’s going to annoy me if we don’t wow the first was Dustin’s booyah that’s why the first one was Dustin yeah yeah I lost his second one the second was Connor it’s like oh how hard can it get let’s see you know so people probably oh man this guy’s 0-2 and he all becomes one of the best ever wait who Max um Max what you say Max’s second fight was sorry Pat was the second yeah yeah yeah he fought a few guys he lost to Dennis Bermudez and then he lost to Connor yeah oh wow man he’s a little well again anyone on that run yeah propelled him into the the title contention yeah that’s wild man yeah so it is kind of weird to see a guy like that like who’s so good and what do you think happens with balal they’re speculating uh with with Colby and him fighting I don’t think Colby takes that fight at all if they’ve told Clark because it’s crazy it’s like when Frankie Edgar took Ortega everybody loved him for it but he didn’t have to do it and it wound up costing him because Brian won that fight so I think that’d be a crazy move for uh Colby to take any fight but Leon if he has a shot yeah and also you know bawala’s is one of those guys and I’ve seen him from the beginning um I called one of his early fights and it’s one century you go it’s it’s even if you win if you find a way to beat blah which is not easy it’s not aesthetic like it’s one of those fights you’re like oh you know there terrible certain guys you fight or even in the gym you train against you go oh this is just gonna this guy is such a grinder and he’s so good even if I win you don’t I’m trying to think of Elias Theodore 185 remember he had a magic for making people look bad even if they were pretty good even if you could beat the last Theodore you looked bad doing it you know what I mean he was pretty but it wasn’t pretty the way right yeah yeah he’s gonna stop those kinds find a way to win he’d find a way to win now Jimmy they’re telling us we’re getting a note from our producer saying that’s probably the last question so he didn’t go to his show at two o’clock it’s 1 58. so that’s not coming from us guys that’s coming from yeah go ahead Europe until my last second really appreciate you guys you’re awesome you’re awesome anytime you guys just let me know man thank you it’s great talking yeah where can people hear you what channel on Sirius XM Sirius XM fight Nation right channel 156 156 start in literally two minutes all right you guys all right buddy talk to you soon Jimmy all right Jimmy Smith [Music] foreign I love a guy like that who just who who knows everything about it and loves it you know we should get back on here dude who I I’m a fan of Chuck Zito um I I Chuck Zito’s Instagram I’m kind of like he just lives a full life you watch this guy he’s always out to dinner with his friends he’s meeting bikers that he knows he’s got he’s going to this event and that fight and he is always doing something so I like Chuck Zito a lot I would love to have him back on you gotta live your life Jimmy I know but I I look at other people and I’m like wow he does a lot like he lives a very full life my friend Hulk that passed he was your age 54. he was playing drums on the weekend wow you learned how to play drums and he was playing in like little bands and stuff on the weekends out east and she was I told him I go dude man I like to hear he was he I told you this before it was home and he was like I’m telling you listen I’m gonna take classes I want to pay for it with the stand-up comedy do it with me like he was that guy you know what I mean so I don’t know I don’t know where how that came from but I know you know life life’s crazy man it is yes and there’s nothing you can do to see it coming it’s not like when somebody gets sick and then you can kind of you know yeah see it coming when it’s something like that there’s just no way there’s no preparation at all man that Jillian Robinson that’s what I was going to ask you about with Rodriguez do you think she tapped well no she definitely tapped the leg out of instinct but was it a tap though or was it like to try to push her leg off either way you know the ref if anything the ref from the angle the ref saw the hand do that and they got a better look and that arm was about to break so the other the girl I understand the girl was upset um of the girl I should say uh Pierre Rodriguez and she’s tall yeah like I thought Jillian is so good for MMA because positionally she’s very strong but she has the the guts to go for the submissions even at a risk and she’ll do it at the right time and she got that arm locked beautifully she could have just finished that round on top she was gonna be up two rounds but she got that and it was done it was done beautifully that was the second round yeah listen I I I’m telling you man I think you might have the most submissions without a woman in that division look into that producer but I love watching a fight I really do and Osmond murzakanov against Dustin Jacoby was the decision he didn’t get about in the first round but that guy is gonna is really exciting in the light heavyweight division uh he’s now he’s in the rankings number 15. and he might have been before that might have been right before uh but he was he was coming back man yeah a little too late but uh and uh as uh as asthma was um getting a little gassed he says he broke his arm as well who broke who’s arm Osmond Osman saying he broke his own Armory broke uh he broke uh Dustin’s uh arm I’m assuming he broke his own arm um and we should also uh iwan kutilaba a very tough uh debut at light heavyweight for tan or Bowser um first round uh knockout he broke his arm okay that’s what he thought um yeah what do you think Matt because Tana boser is actually obviously fought guys that are are much more powerful uh do you think part of it could be that when you go down and wait you’re just your cut is a lot harder especially when you didn’t have to cut before hey but you’re dealing with a you know cute a llama is a a Savage and he’s coming after you and you got to know that going in so you could look at it one of two ways all right now you’re taking strikes from somebody not as big because you used to fight it heavy weight right well maybe now that you lost that weight you’re not good at taking the strikes so right it’ll be one or the other or they just got overwhelmed and that’s look like it looked to me he got I mean uh cute love was on him I mean just on it so like he didn’t have a very good answer for it you know it’s weird it’s like I think going from heavyweight down to light heavyweight is probably the hardest drop down because you you could theoretically be mentally in a place where you almost never have to cut any weight I mean any other weight they always have to cut so if they go down to a lower weight class they’re still used to cutting weight but at heavy weight unless you’re 265 you’re not cutting it all so I think that’s a much harder thing to have to all of a sudden cut weight um when for x amount of fights you just didn’t have to think about that at all man I hear you dude and it’s forcing you to train more sometimes when you do have to cut that way too so I mean again it’s all about how where you feel the best you know what I mean yeah and uh I’m very happy for Pedro Munoz because he he you know yes and uh and he’s just a likable guy you know it’s not so likable is hair now it’s weird right he doesn’t look the same this is the thing you got it I think we should go one extreme to the other yeah you see what’s going on in the back it’s no longer a party the house is on fire so I and that is burning listen this is what you do the the back of the hat is no good and Clay Guida was known for his hair okay people you look like Captain Caveman out there like I am and that’s cool but it’s over now this fight in Korea right no of course not I think Blake reader should shave his head come to the side of me and Jimmy Smith look at this ready oh my goodness this morning at 6 40 a.m I was in my steam shower over at Sarah BJJ Huntington Long Island New York and I was shaving my head and it’s so relaxing sure I was on espresso I was high but my point is it’s almost like a meditative state and then I was doing some single legs with the take the ball with single leg takedowns anyway now at Uma plot is an Uber plot if he rolls out how to roll back into it Jimmy yeah look what I’m wanting sure we’re coming in oh by the way we’ve before what silly geese I love uh Billy quarantello he’s a really nice guy and he’s a great fighter but I was I was very happy for Edson Barboza um that was a great great win for Barboza um with that knee I mean you could just tell he said he had trained for it uh for quarantula throwing a punch and going in for the takedown what a beautiful knee that was by Edson he looked good the whole fight he throws those snap kicks I I love watching him you know I’m a big uh Barboza fan uh watching him kick legs or or body kick is really something uh to behold well this is what this is what I’ll tell you about that about yes Billy Q was trying to pressure him yes I was trying to put that pressure on him but sometimes just sometimes with Edson Barbosa he’s only a knee away come back for this ready no Barbosa wait now I’m looking around I have my hand to my forehead I’m looking around on the Rocks see a bunch of people booing you’re not getting me out of Barbosa let me look over there let me look over there Edson just to make it clear Edson Barbosa I’m gonna stretch this out you’re only your knee away Barbosa Barbosa Edson yeah 50k bonus of course which he deserved I mean that was vintage Edson Barbosa really nice to see um I was very happy for him let’s come forward Jimmy I I wasn’t going to sing the song If he lost one more thing too Matt yes all the way Arnold Allen now am I crazy or I don’t know if I can remember seeing Max throw that amount of body kicks um I loved it and it was very effective and that you could it was like a bat it was like those it was like those oven Saint crew kicks when he lands them uh but my crazier has Max not done that I’ve never seen him throw that many body kicks that I could remember man it might have been you might have seen him throw that same kick up a lot but it was head kicks oh Matt that’s a short joke that’s a short joke and I can say because I’m short yes yes you are I I’m sorry I apologize you’re right you gotta go you don’t gotta celebrate the fact I didn’t mean to agree like that I was just I mean I’m stocking at the end of the day I might go on the trt by the way I I we’ve we talked about that you know I’ll let you know yes I might I might Jimmy you should I might take a small dose it’s good for the energy it’s good for everything it’s also good for um foreign yeah I know that might change our relationship let’s not do that no probably not it sounds interesting though now what do you know obviously uh what do you think about aljo and sahuto um I know you all Joe uh but do you think how do you think he wins is it fast do you think he gets his back fast or do you think it’s a very tough fight well listen spoke to Young aljo today okay and uh you know I’m gonna be that and I’m gonna be with him and I don’t want to talk about 50 00:28:26,640 –> 00:28:30,360 strategy right you don’t want to give it away I don’t want to give it away but I will tell you this he could out fight him and he has got certain things in his Arsenal that studo has been seen before when is that fight Matt I told him though a week before though a week couple weeks before we’re going to Manchester England doing like some super seminar with some OG MMA guys right um I’m trying to find out when that fight is no you don’t care when I talk about myself though all right wait you were talking about dad they’re going to Manchester England A6 man thank you come on man give it the time yo okay I should have answered you I might I got a D in another D bro yes no I do too is that fight that fight is in uh is in England foreign Manchester England you’re talking to him oh New Jersey okay what do you talk about Manchester for I’m going there man you don’t listen to your friend no no I thought you were going there for him that’s when we were talking about Al Joe you said I’m going to Mexico that’s a jersey man I’m going to Manchester England because George St Pierre got in touch with me and he’s like yo man we’re doing this kind of fan thing over in Manchester England could I get my people in touch with your people I go you’re talking to him like hold on you want to talk to my people hold on it’s me I don’t got people Jimmy you’re my people now when are you doing that and what is it just is it a conversation are you guys just signing some stuff uh from what I’ve seen it’s shaking some hands and kissing some babies that type of thing I’m not gonna actually kiss a baby in any tongues either but what I will do is uh have a good time I don’t know I think it’s a uh I think it’s a like a like a meet and greet and then there’s like an hour MMA lesson which I’ll just teach my Jiu Jitsu for fighting of course sure how long you going for how long I’m going on a Friday coming back on Monday so I might need somebody to cover a mundane show even though I might be able to make it Friday only three nights okay I need a nice hotel there well no yeah five star how many stars so look Mandy fly me out and you know what I do I’m gonna do what I normally do on a weekend I’m gonna teach some jiu jitsu maybe hang out with George you know he better want to hang out sure well the Kenny Florian might be there I’m gonna have something at home I like that guy yeah dude I just lost Hulk like you know what’s funny when Hulk found out I was going to Manchester the guy was texting me dude I always wanted to go I mean I was gonna he might have went with me to Manchester that nut always down all right you know Jimmy yeah I mean I mean that’s how to live life next you know you’re on a motorized scooter you get hit by a truck life is unforgiving Jimmy yeah it’s and when it’s done it’s done fast it’s done it’s done fast you mean but if I ever go Jimmy this is what I want you this this is my basically like my song to you and I don’t want to sing the whole thing but I’m just going to say don’t you forget about me no no no no no no no oh don’t you forget about me okay that’s the uh yes do they I don’t I don’t know hey hold on no it goes like this it’s from The Breakfast Club all these kids out there yes watch it but and uh it goes something like this it goes but that’s the first verse but I don’t think they say no no no no oh see I was thinking of a different song oh okay what are you thinking of Jimmy I don’t want to say what does this say my bad you don’t do a we’ll agree that we both enjoy yeah I wouldn’t play that song I’m just saying that was the one that came listen but uh Jimmy seriously though don’t you forget about it no I won’t that is a good song too good good music in The Breakfast Club Campus Club is great dude it was okay but the music was really good where is and where is your reefer it’s in the Geeks pants he didn’t say that he goes in whatever the kid’s name I don’t know listen wait I’ll tell you right now very sexual it’s another show I’m not gonna be watching with my children we tried to watch candles and it wasn’t it wasn’t happening you know you know what I want to know too man I mean they’re talking about doing now Stipe Jones in the garden and I understand the garden is such a big card but Jones fought steepe has not fought in a long time and Jones only fought for a couple of minutes did took no punches I mean he could be ready to fight for July what do you think the advantages to the Garden besides the fact it’s New York it’s the building um couldn’t Jones fight in july and then now okay August September October and four months after that will be too soon he couldn’t do both but uh what do you think why didn’t they do July I wonder I have no clue but I’m just I’m excited for that fight man because baby Dana wants to keep mine to Vegas this is what I Steve a wanted to fight in july that’s what that’s what our producers telling us yeah you know I’m wondering if they find destroy John has too many distractions in Vegas and they’re like yeah in New York man listen man that fight’s gonna be a something else because what happens is you’re not gonna hear me saying first round Sub in that one no I I seen I seen uh Stipe on the floor dude he’s not a he’s not a hard guy to get down or keep down man he’s really not he’s not an easy guy to get down or keep telling you he’s not a heart oh no he is a hard guy to do that yeah I wouldn’t like that you’re busy you hard guy to get down and keep down he’s got but I think that’s going to be a contest on the feet and that’s gonna be Interesting Man Stipe is a guy that just knows how to win you know he does yeah and Jones but Jones is kicks and and those uh those leg kicks those he’s so good we didn’t get the same really do any of that against Cyril because it was over so quick as per your prediction I wish that was happening sooner what do you think is going on with Francis he hasn’t turned up anywhere is it post surgery stuff he’s not sure what’s you know he’s still healing no man but how old is he because he only have a certain shots I know I know I think it was a surgery thing I believe he’s 36 I haven’t uh I think 36 maybe even 37 let me see uh 36 I was correct he’s 36 until September so he could have been on four years of good fights left three years at least but I like that yeah uh uh I’m you know I’m reading here about bringing the uh not to get all over the place but Brandon roval he won he won yeah he did that kid’s a nice kid he’s a great yeah I like how he cursed on the thing like y’all must have forgot almost the forgot something that he’s oh man sorry if I shouldn’t have cursed something like that but it was funny but he’s saying that he confirms that he’ll be in Las Vegas at UFC 290 as backup fighter yes Mourinho versus uh Alex Pandora so that should be that should be interesting man I mean listen Brenda raval is awesome he’s a fun guy to watch right you know yes I enjoyed the fights the other night uh incredible uh just a great great night um but it started off I feel bad because it’s been talked about a lot but the opening fight uh Jocelyn Edwards got awarded the decision yeah for uh Lucy put it all put a load yeah won that fight handedly so I you know it’s not Jocelyn’s fault right but you know she didn’t win the fight now and as I felt a little you know I felt for her with that you know what I mean uh uh yeah isn’t that weird like when they when a decision I was talking uh this morning I think to a friend of mine on the Jim and Sam show my buddy Mike vecchione is a good comedy special out and we were talking about boxing we were talking about Gennady Golovkin against uh Canelo and it’s when I hate so much of a boxing is the bad decisions and UFC doesn’t have as many what I think are criminal decisions as boxing um but there are there’s enough bad decisions in UFC where referees or sorry judges have to be penalized somehow for getting it so wrong there has to be a way that their peers can watch a fight um I I don’t know how you do that but there’s no way they can keep getting it this wrong it’s like umpires who always miss calls how the these guys have jobs I have no idea and I can’t stand baseball but you know what I’m looking forward to Jimmy yeah Netflix show coming out by uh by Zack Snyder called Rebel Moon and it’s a Sci-Fi thing it’s supposed to be like his like his kind of style Star Wars type movie like supposed to be huge and that’s coming out I’m pretty sure soon I gotta find out hey producer Jake the producer thank God Bilal is in the waiting room there’s a look up what time when that’s coming out Rebel moon on that yes thank God what why Star Wars I didn’t say it was Star Wars oh that’s right okay somebody Let’s Get Loud [Music] yo okay buddy how are you what’s up guys hello what’s up man that was tell us why you mad son tell us how the world we need some respect on that name yeah I mean the real one to know the real ones know what it is so I get the respect from the people that that matter honestly when you left I seen on Insta and it’s the uh I’ll meet you at a meeting I think with Dana and Hunter you’re like ah these guys are good guys and yada yada this and we’re gonna have some don’t listen to the rumors it looked like a good meeting but then we didn’t hear what is going on uh I mean it’s it was the waiting game because we were trying to figure out what’s gonna happen like we were talking about Kamara Usman and we’re waiting on him to see when he’s healthy uh obviously they said Toby’s next for the title shot so then we still had Mazda and Gilbert that was up after that Gilbert ended up winning so then for me it was just coming out of that meeting trying to see which what would be the next fight that would give me the title shot and I think it was just depending on how Gilbert won that fight if it was like a big finish or something like that or if like usman’s ready to go before Gilbert is then I think it’ll just be either one of those two do you think what do you think is the reason that they’re giving it to Colby do you think it’s just the fact that he again he’s good at selling pay-per-views because people so many people dislike him and there’s that whole angle um or do you think it was your one round with Leon um unfortunately that fight ended in a way that was completely unfair and unpredicted um what do you think I mean I don’t think it has anything to do with that run around with Leon because like I’ve gone 4-0 since that fight against top 10 guys so I don’t think it has nothing to do with that just think that Kobe I don’t know maybe uh you know Dana White has a love for him or the UFC sees something in him that I don’t know I don’t think he’s a star I don’t think he’s a superstar I think that the pay-per-views he sold this because of masvara or tomorrow Usman like I don’t think he has anything to do with them I just think that you know UFC’s looking for that Lehigh’s not really a talker he’s not a trash talker he’s not a guy that’s big in the media he barely does any media and they know that maybe Kobe will try to sell the fight more than him and maybe it’ll like give Leon some type of Superstar I think they’re trying hard to make him a star by giving them guys like Nate Diaz uh they try to do them as it all thing and you know he just doesn’t know how to you know take that type of energy and go with it uh because he’s very quiet and just like all to himself he tries to like do his talking with fighting but like it’s an entertainment business like you got to know how to talk you got to know how to like interact with fans and stuff like that and I just don’t think he does that I do think though I I do think Colby is a I’m not a fan of his at all but I do think he is somewhat of a draw because I think he has that thing where so many people dislike him he’s one of those Fighters that people will want to watch like no one’s going to buy a pay-per-view to watch Poirier Lewis say because they like him you know what I mean but he’s the guy that even if you hate like people will go I hate this guy or is whatever it is he’s doing however genuine and I want to see him lose I think half the people if not more that buy it really want to see him lose yeah I mean I could see that side of it but like I just don’t think that he’s this crazy Superstar where he’s gonna sell 500 000 pay-per-views of people that want to see him lose I don’t think he’s there I think that you know it takes two to tango and it takes two guys to try to sell a pay-per-view even with this fight I just don’t think that Leon’s gonna be you know taking the bait and trying to talk trash with them back and forth because he just doesn’t talk so I think most of it is going to be like Kobe saying very dumb things about London or something Britain or something like that and you know it’s just like basically talking to himself we need in this sport like you know you know you need some pieces of because yeah if everybody was like well hell and it’s fun to watch guys who are talented fight and that alone is enough for me but other guys like Jimmy saying is like you like to either root against them or form but my point is know what I hate I hate when guys like you know this is a character he just plays a character but he’s really a nice guy he’s real but Izzy or is he really a why because why would you act like this and you’re like oh but he’s really yeah but he’s a good is he really a good guy he talks about this one’s kids he talks about this one as a father he talks about you know he gets so low that and then and then you might meet him and like he’ll be pleasant you’re like oh well he’s really a nice guy but he’s still a piece of like in other words they’re like like jail sewning with Conor McGregor he’s like and I I don’t want to keep reading this up people think of him but he goes because it but no but it’s wrong because unless endless channels like you know stunod which he’s not he goes I love how it goes and how I said this once before but it’s funny he’s like I he’s like when I people see Conor McGregor in the cage and he’s saying your wife’s in my DMs he goes ran his legs in half is he is he a bad person or is he staying in character and no jail he’s not safe I mean a Dirtbag are you what’s he in character when he hit that guy in the nightclub or punch the old man on the stool the girl’s jumping over in the Pacific oh is he a wow this guy he should be a funky he’s the next Daniel Day Lewis no I like you like you hit that in the nose like I said you can’t beat like it isn’t about characters when you’re bringing a family you’re bringing up wife and kids I’m like like you say that type of stuff to a fighter like you’re gonna get punched on the street that’s what happens when a lot of people are like man that’s what I was against my bro you talk about his kids of course then you sue him and then you’re like then you like put like you you press charges and then after that after I suppose and he goes John watch your mouth you don’t want to you know when your kid’s growing up without a father dude what are you gonna do yeah obviously you’re playing a role now because you’re not gonna do anything on the street because we know how what happens with that just ask the boomerang throwing verse anybody that what about the time he was in a lunch at a lunch line at a um Buffet line no no no yes yes and Ali his manager they go after him he’s literally standing behind there’s like a little old lady like this with her arms like this and he’s standing he’s using this lady as a shield it’s crazy he’s like behind her like just trying to sell a fight you all right bro the exactly that’s what the biggest joke about it is I’m like if you’re gonna talk about it be about it don’t be it don’t be fake about it don’t sit there hey man I’m just joking I’m just trying to sell I’m like no you don’t sell like talking about family or wife and kids you know or religion I’m like that’s not selling a pay-per-view and I’m like you talk about that stuff like you it goes to the street and you deserve that but if you’re not even willing to back yourself up in the street it just shows how much of it like a joke you are true it’s true yeah because you don’t make up with Sean Strickland I don’t break up I mean I still try to fight him yeah yeah he used to yeah he’s a different guy at Short Strickland he likes to just being outrageous he’s like a little awkward but he’s kind of funny on the mic though I think yeah he has funny moments like I’m very cool with Nick sticking he’ll tell me like bro man you gotta if you got to meet him and you know got to hang out with him longer you would actually like him I was like nah man I don’t think I would he’s like now that I tell you man like I didn’t have nobody liked it at first but then when you get to he’ll start growing on you I’m like this all right maybe but uh you know for now I’m still gonna hate him yeah listen it’s okay to have that you’re still fighting in the cage it’s good to have that little uh so I mean no would you you would welcome either one of those fights Gilbert or uh Kamara Usman yeah I mean for me it was like they were telling me Oh man you don’t have that one name on your resume that uh that that makes us think okay we need that one and I’m like I’m being huge exactly he was undefeated 15-0 I’d be in Wonderboy Damian Maya uh Vincente and it’s like those names aren’t enough so I’m like give me a former title holder and Kamara Usman who everybody thinks is you know the goat or the wealthy rates and he’s like a Hall of Famer so if I go out there and I beat him I don’t think there’s no denying me and he’s ranked number one yeah but you know Gilbert’s been active and you know he got a lot of hype for the the Mazda fight and you know when you’re fighting twice in uh whatever five months it was uh you know people start talking about you and you’re in the nude you stay in the news so people are like he gets on a mic and he says oh I want the title fight next so it’s like all right well do I have to go through Gilbert so like either one of those guys for sure but for me it’s like just give me that one fight as long as there’s only one fight where I don’t have to fight every ranked person to get a title fight I’m like I already had the longest streak in the division just give me whoever’s next I’ll fight him and then I’ll fight for the title and you know it’s a short list I mean you you they can’t deny you forever you know that I mean there’s only a couple of guys like you said whether it’s going to be Gilbert or Colby it’s gonna happen soon you probably have to just win one more fight uh because anybody you fight is probably gonna be your bridge to the title anyway yeah and that’s the thing A lot of people are telling bro just wait just wait I’m like it’s so easy to get like injured in this game and just in practice and training and it’s like we do the hardest type of practice hardest type of training so when I’m healthy I want to be active I want to be in a cage like this is where I make my money and I don’t want to sit there and have to you know oh I’m sitting here waiting for this I’m pouting or anything like that I’m like cool you guys want me to win one more just tell me who that one more is and I’ll go out there and I’ll beat them what did you think of Leon’s Performance uh so much better than in the first fight which was at altitude but I mean uh did you expect it to go the way it went and that rematch um or did you think Kamara Was Gonna Take It I mean for me it was more so it wasn’t really a lot that Leon did it was more so that kamaru didn’t look as you know polished as he usually does or as confident as usually does and I think that he just came back way too soon from that knockout I think I’ve gone to a rematches with guys that knocked me out and you’re mentally it’s different for you and you have to go over you know like this mental hurdle and for him to go right back at it six months later after just being put to sleep like you could tell like he was kind of like very slow starting on his feet very uh you know hesitant to do anything even as wrestling wasn’t there I know Leon obviously did better in some situations but I just think that for the most part it was kamaru didn’t look as good as he normally would and I mean for me it could have went either way that fight was very close and it could have went to Camaro could have went to uh Leon like I wouldn’t have been mad either way but like I don’t think it’s like because Camaro is should be on his way out I think tomorrow still has it I just think yeah he should have took a different fight between that fight and uh before getting that rematch because going back in the same cage with the guy six months later they just put you to sleep like you’re gonna be thinking about it and I think that he was thinking about it a lot and Leon was Landing those low kicks and Camaro was thinking man is he gonna go high he’s gonna go high he’s gonna go high and you get to see it in his eyes he was waiting for that high kick to come doesn’t that make you almost more impressed too when you say it just like that when you look at what adesan you just did over uh after being stopped twice and and lost the first one there’s no way that wasn’t in his head and prayer did look really good in that uh in that round that he wound up getting dropped in uh which is even more impressive that he was able to come back and knock him out yeah honestly like uh to me outside is like one of the most impressive and like you got to respect him like there’s a lot of people that a lot haters and stuff like that but like there’s nothing you could hit on a designer because he’s that guy that’s always looking for the next best challenge even when he was Champion he was like looking at the next guy he wasn’t waiting for oh who’s gonna make me sell the most reviews he’s like this guy looked all right this guy’s ranked best this guy has the biggest best drink I’ll build it up myself I want to fight who you guys think is the best and for him to come back out there and finish Pereira like that after losing three fights to him and you know I thought I was like he looked strong mentally saying all the right things but I’m like I don’t think you know obviously it has to be in the back of your head but he went out there and he like proved me wrong he proves a lot of people wrong he’s awesome man I really respect what he did and how he got it done it’s very brave like bro they say it’s the anime that made him power up that celebration like I’m like bro he had to train that celebration that was like so good and like so like perfectly acted out I’m like he has to be doing that in the bathroom or something people are upset at what he did with that you know finding a kid and playing dead I liked it and I’m a farmer the kid was very young though when he did when did he do that to him uh how old was the kid when he did that he was really young yes I think he was like nine or something how about this though and I love that I like Alex Pereira a lot I heard Alex Pereira talking about it and he was saying how the kid wanted to do it this is what I I’m 99 sure that unless you know I was in a marijuana haze but I’m pretty sure I heard I’m pretty sure I heard him say that the kid wanted to do that the second when he beat him again when he knocked him out again the kid wanted to go on the cage to do it again he told them no well he wasn’t gonna do it well it’s like all right but a little late because he did how many years ago so it was still but the fact that the kid wanted to do it again shows me he didn’t want to learn his lesson yeah you’re gonna cry yourself to sleep in your acai over there but listen you don’t do that little man young man you don’t do that no exactly you got to respect these guys like like I said if you’re gonna talk to talk you gotta walk the walk too and you got to take it as good as you’re gonna give it so like he’s gonna learn from it and if you’re at a sign down how long that clip sticking to your head that you know you remembered and you looked out for that kid you pointed to him and obviously he’s stuck with him since that one day oh that’s great I like when he goes hey I love he’s like hey man you if you crawl we could brawl and like that I love it it got it you know hey man let’s go and you and Gilbert are both tweeting I will fight anyone right so I mean I I would love to see you guys matched up and if it happens how much of a weight do you think we’d have to have since Gilbert just fought I mean they’re looking at us they were talking to us to do it on uh make six so May 6th they just lost the co-main event for that for that card so it would be three weeks wow and you could be ready in three weeks yeah for me I’m a guy that’s always in the gym I’m always training and uh it’s one of those things like if I get a guaranteed number one it’s the number of container fight that’s my that’s my moment to to go because like I don’t want to sit there and have to wait like I said if they tell me tomorrow’s maybe ready in June July August I’m like it’s still the waiting game of seeing if he’s gonna be ready and then right like I said you never know what happens in camps if I’m healthy I want to be able to fight I’m I’m ready to go at all moments I don’t think Gilbert’s really taking any damage in that Mazda fight um it was more so just him pushing a pace and taking as well down so like I’m pretty sure he’s healthy and he’s always saying he wants to fight anybody so for me I’m like I’m ready to go at any moment well there’s some good fights on that card as well besides uh sahuto and aljo uh andrage against yandron and uh Drew Dober against Matt frivola that’s a fight that I can’t wait to see um that is a very I think not been talked about enough what a great fight that is yeah Maddie’s a little under the radar Maddie Maddie yeah always has entity a little more well known I want I want this to be Maddie’s man that’s a trick listen we love both guys Matt he’s all guy so I just uh that that one’s um a little bit of a sleeper on that car that that’s a great fight you know they’re gonna bang it out oh 100 you train at uh the Rufus sport um you trade with uh Christian Rodriguez I was impressed with that kid man when the UFC booked that fight I’m like man they do not know how good Christian is I’m like if you’re trying to build this kid up if you’re trying to build Raul look I’m like this is the worst fight for it because Kristen is a dog like he’s good everywhere he’s not just good striking he’s good grappling good wrestling and just his toys and patience in the cage is Miles Ahead least and Miles Ahead of anybody it’s a majority calm yeah yeah it’s very mature fighter like very his fight IQ seems very high for a young kid yeah he’s training you know he grew up training with Anthony Pettis and Sergio Pettis and you know Duke his whole life since he was a child so he’s like Sergio Pettis’s main training partner so you’re learning from Sergio since you’re a kid and you know since he was a kid he was in the trenches he wasn’t like they weren’t just like giving him like the the kids class or anything like he was sparring with the adults right away I like his hey I like where his head’s at because we had him on here and we’re like you know I asked him a similar question like what do you think about how do you feel that they’re matching you up with this young Raul and uh you know made you almost like you feel like they’re using you as like to build him up he and he did not look he said look I don’t look at it like that at all I think they’re looking at two up and coming prospects and young and I’m like I I didn’t want to be like I don’t think so dude I think they’re yeah but but you know you know but he dude listen his mindset he didn’t go in there looking like they were setting him up for he went in there looking like all right let’s find out who’s better that was impressed man you know yeah then you know like I was there fight week with them and uh the guys and I’m sitting here trying to Hype him up like bro this is a huge Spotlight for you talk a little Trash like nah I don’t want to it’s it’s okay then like Sergio he had the press conference and Sergio Pettus is like here wear my chain he’s like no I don’t I don’t really want to wear a chain or a necklace and I’m like bro come on man like he was just so pasted and poised the whole week like he didn’t let the moment get to him at all he wasn’t like getting big headed and even after the fight he just was like you know this kid’s a good kid he’s still gonna be you know he can still be well and you know I I think he has a lot to learn but still could be a champion and I’m like bro like he’s so mature for his age what a nice kid man yeah he is and it was also one of those things I think it’s a good loss for him because it’s one of those things where you’re not gonna just Blitzkrieg guys at the UFC level and have them be panicked by your aggressiveness you know what I mean guys on that level see aggressive they see guys who are coming strong and coming hard really fast it’s not it’s something that will throw maybe a lesser fighter but a guy in the UFC is not going to be thrown by that at all and then you go into the second round you have no energy left exactly he’s going to learn that game and I think he’s also going to learn like you know you can’t have your parents and brother and sister in your corner like you need real coaches in your corner they’re going to give you real advice because when you have family it just becomes like all about emotions and things like that and like they’re telling them in this corner like oh you have to win you have to do this and it’s like that’s not real Corner advice I think that you know if he had a real veteran coach in his corner but I told him like Hey don’t just Blitz set your take thumbs up throw your jab don’t be afraid to strike because I think he’s tough enough he can strike with the with these guys and especially at 135 I think that you know just coming out there thinking you’re just going to take everybody down and dominate them with your grappling it’s not the smartest thing because when you get to the higher level guys that can wrestle they can uh do Jiu Jitsu like everybody’s well-rounded nowadays so you letting all your gas out in that first round now you know now you know that you can’t just do that and I don’t think he like Sean O’Malley said he should take two years off I don’t think he really need to do that I think he’s just pick his fights better be smarter and like I said it’s all about fight IQ nowadays like if he would have finished him in the first round with everyone I could choke when he had that spot like people would be calling the next big thing and they would have gave him a ranked opponent right away but the fact that he lost I think is better for him so now it’ll be more of a slow roll and uh go slower that pace the Nets right sure and now and listen you have you’re right now it’s like your careers right where it should be never been hotter but do you have a thing 10 years from now or more what am I doing when I’m done with this whole fight in a cage thing do you ever think about what’s next I know you got your eye in the goal I’m just saying yeah no of course always you know you’re always looking ahead thinking ahead and it’s like you look for right Investments or right businesses you want to do but for me I do a lot of coaching when I’m in Chicago too and like I always definitely want to stay involved in the gym training at the gym and like helping a lot of these younger fighters Jim I’m at now we have so many young guys and I train I I teach over there twice a week when uh we do practices so I think that I’ll end up being like in some sort of coaching world too because like I love the sport I just like love being a part of it so for for me it’s like helping this next generation and trying to be like a mentor for these younger guys of telling what I went through and what so they won’t have to go through the same thing that’s good man yeah very much looking forward to this oh man I hope the best for you man you’re just a good dude yeah appreciate your brother I hope this May 6th fight uh happens and if it does man come on right after we’d love to talk to you again and uh we’ll talk to you soon Bilal and I’m hoping you get this fight May the 6th because uh I’m dying to see you get that title shot for sure man I appreciate you guys man yeah if it all works out May the 6th and then we fight in Abu Dhabi in October so hopefully it all goes the the way we’re planning all right have a good weekend uh we’ll talk to you soon all right buddy all right guys the left and also thank you to Jimmy Smith I guess that does it for today but uh hopefully we’ll know more by Wednesday May 6 is a very fast turnaround for Gilbert so we’ll see if he’s willing to do that well I’m excited for below he’s a good dude you cannot like him I like that Jimmy Smith yeah Nation Channel 156 is now your exclusive radio home for the UFC hear all the action from fight night’s pay-per-views every Saturday on your home for Combat Sports SiriusXM fight Nation Channel 156 on the SiriusXM app that is a great thing um to tie UFC into Sirius XM radio because every other sport you can listen to and the way these guys break down fights when you listen to whether it’s Bisping or Cormier or of course Rogan uh you can easily listen to it and you know what’s happening UFC on Phil unfilled man easy easy listening easy what do you want to plug man Cleveland Friday Saturday I think Saturday’s sold out so I’ll be there on Friday and this Wednesday at the Fat Black Pussycat here in New York well Jimmy I messed up with the no no no it was don’t don’t don’t that’s all right I’ll just sing this out no harm it shows in a couple of days and for everybody listens to unfilted I’ll just change to you with us or the uh Don’t You Forget About me I’ll change that to it also ready no no it’s not no no no no it’s don’t don’t don’t Don’t You Forget About Me don’t don’t don’t don’t goodbye everybody love you Jenny [Music]